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weekendplannen

Gooi eruit wat eruit moet, doe dat hier!

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Postby JuhWuh » Mon Oct 22, 2007 14:16

nìls!

Ik lees nu al een tijdje jouw pokerverhalen op de site en op je blog. Het valt me op dat je er veel verstand van hebt. Wat me echter nog meer opvalt is dat je ondanks al die kennis zelden een grote pot of toernooi wint. Je hebt het na al die verliezen steeds weer over donks, calling stations en vissen die ondanks jouw geniale spel er steeds weer met jouw geld vandoor gaan.

Afgelopen zaterdag ben je met KB en Jake naar het casino geweest. Waar deze twee mannen flinke duiten bijeen harken ga jij met een schamele 50e winst naar huis. Daarom moet ik je helaas mededelen dat ik ben gaan twijfelen aan jouw 'pokerskills'. Sorry.

Gelukkig voor jou heb ik er nog wat meer over nagedacht, want misschien kan ik je wel helpen! De volgende drie mogelijkheden kwamen bij me op:

1) Het valt gewoon allemaal wel mee en je zit gewoon te zeuren. De reden voor dit zeuren weet ik niet. Misschien is het wel gewoon een aandachtsprobleem (nu of in je jeugdige jaren?)!

2) Je bent gewoon een echte pechvogel. Dit lijkt mij echter niet het geval en wel om de volgende reden. Pech, geluk en statistiek zijn onlosmakelijk met elkaar verbonden. Jij als pokeraar gelooft waarschijnlijk heilig in de statistiek. Hoe zijn mijn odds en me outs? Hoeveel winstpercentage heeft deze hand? Hoeveel procent lig ik voor (of achter in jouw geval)? Aangezien de kaarten willekeurig gedeeld worden is de kans dat jij een goede hand krijgt even groot danwel klein als die van je tegenstander, dus zou je ook net zo veel handen moeten kunnen winnen.

3) En dan punt 3. Ik zei net dat je dus net zo veel handen moet kunnen winnen als je tegenstander. Hier zit denk ik het grootste probleem. Je overschat je pokerskills. Waar je tegenstander een bepaalde hand op een bepaalde manier speelt en wint, doe jij het anders en verlies je met dezelfde hand.

Er zijn vast nog meer mogelijke zaken waardoor jij je rechtmatige winst in het poker niet kunt opeisen, maar daar heb ik verder niet veel kijk op. Zelf denk ik dat het een combinatie is tussen optie 1 en 3. Jake en KB hoor ik namelijk niet zoveel klagen als ze veel knaken verliezen met een hand. Dit kan natuurlijk omdat ze niet verliezen, maar dat lijkt me niet waarschijnlijk (zeker met het bankroll verloop van KB). Bij jou lijkt het echter wel of elke hand eindigt met een 2- of 3-outer. En dan tja, toch je pokerskills he. Je hebt dan wel al die boeken gelezen, maar toch wil het niet lukken. Denk daarom eens hierover na:

Waarom zou iemand je vertellen hoe je goed winstgevend moet pokeren? Die persoon zou compleet gestoord zijn! De mensen die zijn boek gelezen hebben zouden dan betere pokeraars dan hijzelf kunnen worden. En ipv dat de schrijver dus veel geld verdient met poker verliest hij zijn geld alleen maar aan mensen die hij zelf heeft leren pokeren!

Geloof dus gewoon niet in al die kennis uit je boeken nìls! Natuurlijk kan het geen kwaad ze te lezen, maar kijk eens naar Jake en KB. Die hebben die boeken niet gelezen en verdienen vele malen meer dan jij!

Succes met je verdere pokerloopbaan Pilz 'Aanstamp' Rijneveld! Hou iig je baan bij pokerstars maar aan, want dat levert vast meer op dan het pokeren zelf.

Vriendelijke kus, JW

(oja, ik hoef nu dus geen reactie van je over mijn pokervaardigheden want ik weet zelf ook dat die nihil zijn!)
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Postby Jake » Mon Oct 22, 2007 15:01

haha,
ik heb jw nog nooit zo briljant over poker horen praten.
Kleine toevoeging op je verhaal is iets wat ik ook al eens heb gezegd.
Als iedereen +EV zou gaan spelen dan kan er niemand meer winnen. De standaard is dan verschoven. Daarom moet je je aanpassen aan het nivo van je tegenstanders.
Kijk bijvoorbeeld bij shooting stars poker (kent plz wel). Dan zitten sommige spelers ook verschrikkelijk te donken, om iig een dergelijke ster weg te kunnen spelen met veel geluk, en dus een mooie bonus op te strijken. Dit zorgt ervoor dat zoon 'ster' erg moet oppassen met wat hij speelt, en dus zeer voorzichtig moet zijn met zijn tegenstanders.

Zo speelde ik zaterdag ook. Niet dat ik een ster ben, maar wel dat ik rekening hou met lelijke beats van domme donks. Af en toe had ik best kunnen valuebetten (na de river betten, zodat je tegenstanders sowieso voor de odds kunnen callen, maar je haast zeker weet dat je wint en dus gewon extra geld in de pot krijgt), maar leek het me niet verstandig, omdat sommige spelers alles konden hebben. ANY 2 CARDS!

Strekking van het verhaal: Pas je aan, aan je tegenstanders en durf te varieren en niet te voorspelbaar te spelen.
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Postby Ruudje » Mon Oct 22, 2007 15:17

Geweldig verhaal JW, hulde!
Bierspel is niet voor laffe barries
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Postby Ruudje » Thu Oct 25, 2007 15:44

Baasies, morgen kaarten, zaterdag Monza?
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Postby plz » Thu Oct 25, 2007 15:58

Het blijft trouwens erg stil JW, ik dacht dat je zei dat je met een verweer bezig was? Kom op, discussiëren! ;)
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Postby daan » Sun Oct 28, 2007 02:44

ik ga liever pokeren in haacee dan dat ik gewoon een biertje drink met de jongens, voordeel is dat ik dan namelijk zo efficient denk dat ik nog geen 800 meter hoef om te rijden om een 'vriend' thuis te brengen. later jake.
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